The finale and what you think it means for next season

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:

the beaver1965 wrote:Jro54, I dislike her character immensely. Being a woman myself, I can't believe how she treats this not only GORGEOUS but nice man. I know this wont happen, but I want to see him hurt her likes she constantly hurts him.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Yes, they are...but honestly, I don't see how she constantly hurts him. She doesn't get basic social interactions, yes. She also gives as good as she gets. The classic: when Booth starts teasing her about "squints" she replies, "Oh, you mean people with very high IQs and basic reasoning skills?" As for hurting him romantically.... In season 1, Booth is dating Tessa, thus he's completely unavailable romantically. Why would Brennan think anything she did sexually with anyone would matter? In season 2, Booth has been hooking up with his ex, (not just what we see, but in talking it's clear that it's been going on for a while.) and Brennan knows this. Then, he stops with the Rebecca and hooks up with Cam. From a woman's perspective, no matter HOW I feel about this man, and how close and intimate our emotional relationship is, I would definitely feel that the man wasn't interested in me. Brennan finds out Booth went to Rebecca to Cam - not to her. Clearly then, she's not in the running. Then, when Booth breaks up with Cam, he tells Brennan that people who work together should never get involved romantically. He then basically asks her help to make sure it doesn't happen to them. She agrees, and in the NEXT episode, she starts the relationship with Sully. How is this hurting Booth? Even though it's clear there's an attraction, one that Brennan has been aware of since day one, (even before the hundredth, that was pretty clear.) Booth has just told her that he's hands off. She has NO indication that Booth wants her as anything but a friend.

In season 3, Booth starts connecting the dots for himself - that scene in the courtroom where she's suggesting that she's the killer instead of her, Booth is in awe of her. I'd say that's when he starts to realize his own emotions towards her. This is also the season where Brennan gets to deal with all the dad stuff.

In season 4, there is some hurtful stuff, but also really considerate stuff. She DOESN'T hook up with the smooth jerk because she knew it would bother Booth. Booth doesn't make a move himself though, does he? The only direct information she's had from him is that they should never get together. He gets mad when she starts pursuing getting her "biological needs" met, but he never suggests he would want more from her himself.

Now, her willingness to believe the lies Jared tells her about Booth, after everything Booth and her have been through, THAT, was hurtful. She was SO desperate to find something that would make her longing for Booth lessen, she was willing to believe his smooth-talking brother. Of course, Jaret DID make is interest known to her right up front, and Brennan needs things like that to be obvious. She also is too dense to realize the sibling rivalry issues at work. Her believing Jaret is something she REALLY regrets, AND, it's actually the "trigger" for Brennan to start investigating for herself if love, in the way Booth talks about it, could be real. From here on, B and B are trying to figure out if they could make this work. Booth starts flirting with her, (the librarian thing) and Brennan starts facing her fears about love - and her own worthiness. She wants Booth's baby...well, Cam voices the truth about that, she wants a connection to BOOTH. She can't tell him that though; she 's afraid of him rejecting her and tells him "he wouldn't have to be involved." She's trying to make it less loaded - unwittingly making it worse. However, Stewie, also had a point - Booth needed to "grow a set" and tell her not only that he couldn't be involved unless he was a real father to the kid, but that HE WANTED TO have a kid with her and be the father. Maybe all of that would have been worked out if there wasn't the whole brain tumor thing. That's why the brain tumor thing was thrown in - to slow down the process.


In season five, she's flipped out by her own writing and Booth's coma connection. She can't be completely sure if his feeling are real, and Booth can't either. (I am NOT going to get into just HOW lame that premise is. That's a completely different thread. :p) Hacker is introduced, and she tells him about the meatloaf. She doesn't realize just how much Booth has told her over the years that he hasn't told anyone else. When Booth expresses that, and his hurt, Brennan DUMPS Hacker, and takes BOOTH as her date to the museum, and Brennan opens up to love, and to Booth, more and more. She gets involved with Parker, with Booth's grandfather. She's the one who points out to Booth that he can't take time off to take care of Pops because he has to be able to take care of Parker. Then, there's the hundredth. Yes, she hurts him there. I'm not going to get into the hundredth, I think anyone whose been reading this forum for a while knows what I think of it.


That's three times in five years - certainly not a constant.

the beaver1965 wrote:Joybrennan, very well said. Even though I dislike her character,you make some valid points. The only thing that I might disagree with you, is if when Booth was with Rebecca and Cam, you state he didn't go to her for sex. Did you ever think that he didn't was because he was afraid he was going to get turned down, like he was in the 100th? As for her bragging about how great the sex was with Sully, I recall when her and Booth were in the diner with GordonGordon she stated that the sex with Sully was amazing. No matter what DB did in his personal life, I still LOVE LOVE him as Booth, and therefore I am biased towards him.

mommahurley wrote:I agree that Brennan says a lot of little comments that could be construed as hurtful to Booth, but so does he toward her. It's their banter thing they've got going on.

She doesn't mind when he constantly corrects her in front of people on matters of "normal behavior" ... and he doesn't get hurt, more like chuckles to himself... when she says things like..."I already know how stupid you are..." ha ha ... loved that line.... It's their thing. So really until season 5 I don't think you can count anything that either of them has done, as hurtful...it's been their own cat and mouse flirtation game.

Now in season 5...yes that has hurt... because he's been vulnerable. However, she's vulnerable too. She almost lost the one person in her life, that loves her, and is her best friend, and promised to never betray her, her constant compainion...the person who "always cares where I am, and if I'm OK". He almost died, and in that moment she became aware of the fact that she needs to change. She's scared. He's scared, but he's stronger and more brave. She's actually got a strong outer shell, but a very vulnerable inner core.

I think that she introduced Hacker to see what Booth would do. He did nothing. He finally does something in the 100th, but she's afriad it will change everything...that he won't like what he gets, and will change his mind and she will disappoint him.

All leading up to now. She leaves for a year? Now I see hurt! And I don't get it! I get that Anthropology is exactly what she spent her whole life to do...and why should she miss the most prestigeous finding of her career? But why, if he truly loves her, did he not even offer to go with her and support her efforts? Perhaps this is a test..of sorts. "If he truly loves me, he will still be there when I get back" sort of thing. I don't know. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm at least getting over the shock and disappointment and ready to see what happens next.

As far as Brennan always hurting Booth...I think it has and does go both ways, but both usually come through for each other when it counts. We shall see...

joybrennan wrote:

mommahurley wrote:I agree that Brennan says a lot of little comments that could be construed as hurtful to Booth, but so does he toward her. It's their banter thing they've got going on.

She doesn't mind when he constantly corrects her in front of people on matters of "normal behavior" ... and he doesn't get hurt, more like chuckles to himself... when she says things like..."I already know how stupid you are..." ha ha ... loved that line.... It's their thing. So really until season 5 I don't think you can count anything that either of them has done, as hurtful...it's been their own cat and mouse flirtation game.

Now in season 5...yes that has hurt... because he's been vulnerable. However, she's vulnerable too. She almost lost the one person in her life, that loves her, and is her best friend, and promised to never betray her, her constant compainion...the person who "always cares where I am, and if I'm OK". He almost died, and in that moment she became aware of the fact that she needs to change. She's scared. He's scared, but he's stronger and more brave. She's actually got a strong outer shell, but a very vulnerable inner core.

I think that she introduced Hacker to see what Booth would do. He did nothing. He finally does something in the 100th, but she's afriad it will change everything...that he won't like what he gets, and will change his mind and she will disappoint him.

All leading up to now. She leaves for a year? Now I see hurt! And I don't get it! I get that Anthropology is exactly what she spent her whole life to do...and why should she miss the most prestigeous finding of her career? But why, if he truly loves her, did he not even offer to go with her and support her efforts? Perhaps this is a test..of sorts. "If he truly loves me, he will still be there when I get back" sort of thing. I don't know. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm at least getting over the shock and disappointment and ready to see what happens next.

As far as Brennan always hurting Booth...I think it has and does go both ways, but both usually come through for each other when it counts. We shall see...

Very well said! I love your explaination of their banter! Especially the point that she never reacts when he corrects her - even when with other people. She doesn't have a sense that it COULD be embarrassing, which is why Booth laughs off so muuch of her stuff. HE KNOWS there isn't malice.

Thanks for trying to justify the whole year apart thing...it's a gimick. I do think that even if the 100th had ended more appropriately, with a baby step towards trying a relationship, Brennan would still have this issue of who she is and why is she doing this crime solving thing. They have actually structured it so that (unlike almost EVERY other time she's gone away) she really has valid reasons for going and as well as personal stuff. Booth going back into the military, now, that's a bunch of B.S. . His whole reason for being in the FBI is supposed to be atoning for his military past. So, what, now he's ok with it? If he didn't want to be around while Brennan was away I'm sure he could have transfered to a differentt detail, taken a leave of absence, or yeah, offer to go with Brennan.
However, because of the stupid ending of the hundredth, I can't see Booth suggesting he go with her. The invitation would have needed to come from Brennan. Still, the military/warzone thing is basically to create more melodramatic angst. The whole situation just sucks.

jro54 wrote:I LOVE both Booth's and Brennan's characters. I understand why people don't like Brennan's character because some of the things she says are kind of hurtful and she def hurt him the 100th (but I don't think she means to) but I don't see how Booth is the sad little love puppy and Brennan is the "bad guy". It took him 5 years to just grow a set and make a move, so Brennan could do whatever she wants with any guy because she doesn't think Booth cares for her like that in until the 100th.

I also don't see how her fling with Sully "hurt" Booth. She had no idea that he was into her like that. I forgot about the scene with Brennan, GG and Booth, but I don't think she was "bragging" to Booth. To me, bragging is blurting something out like, "sex was amazing", but in instead Gordon Gordon asks her a direct question about her relationship with Sully and she doesn't lie. And like joybrennan said, I like to think that it was to show Booth that she wasn't "in love" with Sully and that it was just about sex...But that is just the way I look at it.

the beaver1965 wrote:Jro54, She knows how he feels about her now. Just so I understand, are you saying if she comes back with another lover, that would be okay? I might be misunderstanding you.

treble21 wrote:Assuming the SO theory is true, it doesn't make any sense to me that it would be Brennan, she left to gain perspective, he told her he was moving on at the end of the 100th ( and never retracted that statement). It makes sense it would be Booth that comes back with a SO

the beaver1965 wrote:THIS THREAD IS THE BEST!!! After reading all the viewpoints on why Brennan is the way she is, I might have been wrong to hate her character the way I do. I wont lie and say that I will watch the Sully episodes( His character was annoying), but you are ALL right. She didn't know how Booth might have felt about her. But If she comes back with a Significant Other, after knowing how Booth feels about her, then my original impression of her was correct.

joybrennan wrote:

the beaver1965 wrote:THIS THREAD IS THE BEST!!! After reading all the viewpoints on why Brennan is the way she is, I might have been wrong to hate her character the way I do. I wont lie and say that I will watch the Sully episodes( His character was annoying), but you are ALL right. She didn't know how Booth might have felt about her. But If she comes back with a Significant Other, after knowing how Booth feels about her, then my original impression of her was correct.

Brennan won't have time or interest in having sex with anyone. When she gets into these interspecies whatever thingys she'll be be completely absorbed. This is the woman who Cam and Angela have to babysit when she's figuring out bone fragments because she'll work for 24 hours and forget to eat and fall asleep at her desk. :lol:

Pat wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

the beaver1965 wrote:THIS THREAD IS THE BEST!!! After reading all the viewpoints on why Brennan is the way she is, I might have been wrong to hate her character the way I do. I wont lie and say that I will watch the Sully episodes( His character was annoying), but you are ALL right. She didn't know how Booth might have felt about her. But If she comes back with a Significant Other, after knowing how Booth feels about her, then my original impression of her was correct.

Brennan won't have time or interest in having sex with anyone. When she gets into these interspecies whatever thingys she'll be be completely absorbed. This is the woman who Cam and Angela have to babysit when she's figuring out bone fragments because she'll work for 24 hours and forget to eat and fall asleep at her desk.

I so hope that you are right also. They each just have to think of their alternate universe experiences (Las Vegas fight episode, coma episode, circus episode) when they were so happy they didn't want to return to their "real" existence. Why can't they see that the joy they experienced in the AU's is available. Maybe HH&Co could put them undercover somewhere pretending to be a typical, happy committed couple. Like witness protection for the emotionally-fragile!

joybrennan wrote:Frankly, if it has to be anyone, I hope it's Daisy. Then Sweets can go to therapy with Dr. Gordon.

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:I don't even know what to make of the potential SO storyline anymore..The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. It makes NO sense at all. .Booth in a war zone? Coming back with a SO, and potential "issues". It's plausible I guess, but I'm not really sold on it But then again I wasn't sold on the Army storyline either so whatever.
If Sweets and Daisy come back with others, are we really going to care? I won't. So that wouldn't make much sense either.
Hopefully it's just a plant storyline from HH to keep us talking about the show over the summer. With any luck he's gotten enough backlash to reconsider, but I doubt it. We don't know anything for sure until the sides come out or someone from the show confirms it. Regardless, it's a really STUPID attempt to stall the inevitable.

jro54 wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:I don't even know what to make of the potential SO storyline anymore..The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. It makes NO sense at all. .Booth in a war zone? Coming back with a SO, and potential "issues". It's plausible I guess, but I'm not really sold on it But then again I wasn't sold on the Army storyline either so whatever.
If Sweets and Daisy come back with others, are we really going to care? I won't. So that wouldn't make much sense either.
Hopefully it's just a plant storyline from HH to keep us talking about the show over the summer. With any luck he's gotten enough backlash to reconsider, but I doubt it. We don't know anything for sure until the sides come out or someone from the show confirms it. Regardless, it's a really STUPID attempt to stall the inevitable.

I think it would be completely unrealistic for Booth to come home issues and a GF. I just can't picture "happy" Booth with a sexy nurse and "emotional tortured messed up" Booth at the same time, I quess it could happen. IDK