The AU - Brennan writing vs Booth dreaming

People seem to be unsure about whether the AU scenes represent Brennans writing or Booth's dreaming. So I thought that this is a topic that deserves its own thread.

If this isn't the right place to post it, please feel free to move it to the appropriate place.

I am leaning towards the AU being a combination of Brennans writing and Booth's dreaming.
Especially in the light of HHs latest twitter post that mereva posted. I don't know if it is technically a spoiler so I do not quote it here, but you can check it out in the Twitter posts thread in the spoiler section, page 16.

Now, let me present you w/ my evidence for the AU being a combination of writing and dreaming:

In the very end, when we see Brennan typing and hear Hodgins talking to me it becomes evident, that it is a combination of her writing and his dreaming.

Hodgins narrates the part that she writes about 'loving someone and opening yourself up to suffering' and then we hear Hodgins narrate 'You see two people that seem made for each other but nothing happens...' and AU Brennan tells AU Booth that she is pregnant.

But that part is not in her writing on the screen. Her writing starts again at talking about the burdens 'Like wings, they have weight...'

So I am thinking that the baby part is Booth dreaming...

I also think that the fact that the narrator tells, that 'she has never seen a dead body' when they find the dead guy is a hint at Booth dreaming: he wishes, that there was no evil in the world for her (boy, that sounds cheesy...)

Also: he is driving the car...

I'm sure there is evidence for either side of the argument or that it is a combination so present it...

I made a screen shot of the 'writing' scene shortly before she deletes what she has written. Just click on the link and see for yourself. And compare the written parts to the narrated parts. Hope that can provide the 'technical basis' for this dicussion.

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THANKS loserette for the pic!!
I am sure this will be a popular thread for a while!!

And since it isn't really that spoilerish this is the HH twitter post

mereva wrote:Already posted it in Show Discussion but since it's Twitter...

"HH@BonesFan021 I absolutely CANNOT confirm. It wasn't a dream, it wasn't a book, it was something else. The meeting of two minds?"
ungefähr 5 Stunden ago from web in reply to BonesFan021

I'd like to discuss it not here but in the Show Discussion thread. Please?

I'm one that thinks that Brennan's speaking/writing drifts into Booth's coma dream. I think it's just fascinating to ponder. For just about anything you can think one way, you can turn it back around and think it the other, simply because they do care so much for each other.

For instance, something as simple as Booth driving. Of course Booth would drive in his own dream, but he also might let her just because she'd enjoy it so much! Brenn would maybe drive if it was her dream, but she also might be very comfortable giving that up for Booth just because she knows it's part of his male personae.

It's all in where you let the emphasis lie ...
He likes me!
He likes me!
He likes me!

This is something that really stimulates my cerebral cortex...

TinkonBrink wrote:

DBCrazy wrote:BTW, does anybody have any idea what that is on Booth's tie?

Flamingos!
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Flamingos...found in pairs...mate for life...Sound like two people we know?

And what even plays into it a little bit more, aside from the "mate for life" part, is that Emily picks out David's ties for their scenes!! Aaahh! If my mind wasn't pudding before watching the finale, it surely will turn to pudding before I abandon this mental gymnastics marathon I've embarked on!

I thought that it was Brennan's speaking/writing and Booth's dream but after HH's comment on Twitter I don't know what to think:
"HH@BonesFan021: I absolutely CANNOT confirm. It wasn't a dream, it wasn't a book, it was something else. The meeting of two minds?" Ummmm...what?! Or, like my German neighbor would say, Äääh?! (hope I wrote it correct) Neither a dream nor a book... what was it then?!?!

Well if nothing else this throws new light on the whole amnesia thing. Maybe it's not amnesia, just confusion on Booth's part. It's possible that if they both experienced the same dream/fantasy/AU that Booth's just struggling to figure out which Brennan he's looking at, his Bones or his wife. Now if that's the case, then the sex between them was real, because they both imagined it, they both felt it, and if they carry those feelings forward then everything else, marriage, children, get's called into question as well. We know Booth wants those things with Brennan, but she's just coming to terms with being in love, can she accept everything else as well? That'd be real drama.

I'm hoping this is what he meant and it's not another head fake.

RM

THX1138 wrote:It's possible that if they both experienced the same dream/fantasy/AU that Booth's just struggling to figure out which Brennan he's looking at, his Bones or his wife.

Oh, I hope so. I desperately hope that it's not amnesia but just confusion.

Hee. Of course he can't neither confirm nor deny. He'd kill his precious buzz. In Hollywood, Buzz is like Oxygen: You need it to stay alive.

However, just in case he was being less than an EP, I bring you Milky's theory from the spoiler-chat thread:

one more think I didn't see written.

there's a dream..... process? called incorporation (at least in spanish). It consists of taking into the dream what you're actually perceiving... like when the phone starts ringing and suddenly in your dream there's a ring, or when you run in your dream but can't, really, because your legs are too heavy---the sheets and quilts.
And remember how they say you have to talk to ppl in coma, 'cause they can hear you?

SO- I think that's what happened to Booth.
If you notice, she whispers/mumbles/don't-recall-how-to-say-it-in-English what she's writing. I wouldn't be surprised if she did just that while writing the whole ep... and he incorporated it into his coma-dream

Like I mentioned before, I can get behind that.

loserette wrote:People seem to be unsure about whether the AU scenes represent Brennans writing or Booth's dreaming. So I thought that this is a topic that deserves its own thread.

If this isn't the right place to post it, please feel free to move it to the appropriate place.

I am leaning towards the AU being a combination of Brennans writing and Booth's dreaming.
Especially in the light of HHs latest twitter post that mereva posted. I don't know if it is technically a spoiler so I do not quote it here, but you can check it out in the Twitter posts thread in the spoiler section, page 16.

Now, let me present you w/ my evidence for the AU being a combination of writing and dreaming:

In the very end, when we see Brennan typing and hear Hodgins talking to me it becomes evident, that it is a combination of her writing and his dreaming.

Hodgins narrates the part that she writes about 'loving someone and opening yourself up to suffering' and then we hear Hodgins narrate 'You see two people that seem made for each other but nothing happens...' and AU Brennan tells AU Booth that she is pregnant.

But that part is not in her writing on the screen. Her writing starts again at talking about the burdens 'Like wings, they have weight...'

So I am thinking that the baby part is Booth dreaming...

I also think that the fact that the narrator tells, that 'she has never seen a dead body' when they find the dead guy is a hint at Booth dreaming: he wishes, that there was no evil in the world for her (boy, that sounds cheesy...)

Also: he is driving the car...

I'm sure there is evidence for either side of the argument or that it is a combination so present it...

I made a screen shot of the 'writing' scene shortly before she deletes what she has written. Just click on the link and see for yourself. And compare the written parts to the narrated parts. Hope that can provide the 'technical basis' for this dicussion.

[Only admins are allowed to see this link]

im convinced by your reasoning. although i havent thought much on the topic. so i'm sure i will be back to this thread at some point. but ya that made a lot of sense.

heirofloki wrote:Hee. Of course he can't neither confirm nor deny. He'd kill his precious buzz. In Hollywood, Buzz is like Oxygen: You need it to stay alive.

However, just in case he was being less than an EP, I bring you Milky's theory from the spoiler-chat thread:

one more think I didn't see written.

there's a dream..... process? called incorporation (at least in spanish). It consists of taking into the dream what you're actually perceiving... like when the phone starts ringing and suddenly in your dream there's a ring, or when you run in your dream but can't, really, because your legs are too heavy---the sheets and quilts.
And remember how they say you have to talk to ppl in coma, 'cause they can hear you?

SO- I think that's what happened to Booth.
If you notice, she whispers/mumbles/don't-recall-how-to-say-it-in-English what she's writing. I wouldn't be surprised if she did just that while writing the whole ep... and he incorporated it into his coma-dream

Like I mentioned before, I can get behind that.

Yeah, me too. The idea that they could dream/write the same thing just seems ludicrous to me.

If I had to choose between Brennan's writing and Booth's dream, I would say it was Brennan's writing, because the whole episode felt like insights in her mind (I'm not sure that's correctly phrased, lol)

Like I said in the spoiler chat, we saw she knows her squints are loyal to her and Booth no matter what, we saw that she is grateful for Jared's help, that she wants Booth to love her "do you love me?", that her job is taking a toll on her, that she knows Booth would do anything to protect her, and that she knows how much Booth values her opinion of him when she says to Max "he wants me to be proud of him".

What convinced me that at least a very big part of the AU has to Brennan's and not just the narration is the scene when she says "I know you would kill someone to protect me" or sthg like that and then adds "and I know you would lie so I wouldn't have to share the burden". I mean we, the audience, knew this already but we didn't think she had realised it. This scene, like the others I mentioned, says so much about Brennan and shows us she's not as clueless as we may have thought previously and is very attuned to Booth.

At the end of episode, I thought we were supposed to realise how far she had come, how much she had grown emotionally. I can't remember everything that's happened this season, but there were conversations, like those with Angela in Critic in the Cabernet and with the Japanese man when she asks if it's worth it to let someone get that close to you, that paved the way for the finale.

And if it is her writing, we have an answer to Sweets' "which one it is that's in love and struggles with it everyday?".

I mean imagining and writing sthg is a conscious process, so it would mean
Brennan admitted to herself she's in love with Booth, while a dream is not, it's an unconscious process, so it wouldn't tell us whether or not Booth has admitted it to himself, plus we already figured they dream about each other, that's bound to happen since they spent so much time with each other, so it wouldn't make the whole episode such a great revelation.

Obviously after reading HH's post, I can't be a hundred percent sure but I hope that at least most of the AU was Brennan's writing, because I really liked what I saw of her, not to mention, it would mean she is totally in love in Booth. lol.

i think that booth is dreaming the entire show ectept for the end thhe onlt part bones is writtng is when jack is narriating and the rest is booth

First of all what does AU mean and I am still a bit confused as to if it was a dream or a book. I liked the story but was a bit pissed off that it didn't pick up with Booth's surgery. We had to learn about the coma about the last 10 minutes of the show. I was really pissed with the episode. But since I slept on it I think that I was just so wanting the real sex thing to happen that I didn;t think it would be a fantasy. I just hope Booth doesn't have amnesia. But if it is then maybe Brennan will get to meet the rest of Booths family next season. Could someone please give me some insight so that I am not so confused.

Just to screw everyone over, what if the end bit was a dream inside a dream?

clairebear_nz wrote:Just to screw everyone over, what if the end bit was a dream inside a dream?

Oh how the perverse side of me likes how you think!

sammi31 wrote:First of all what does AU mean?

AU = Alternate Universe, or AR = Alternate Reality

agnerka81 wrote:

clairebear_nz wrote:Just to screw everyone over, what if the end bit was a dream inside a dream?

Oh how the perverse side of me likes how you think!

But if that were true...Brennan may not have realized her feelings.

The clock thing:

Does anyone here think it's a sign of the sex scene being real and not just a continuity cock-up? :?:

k_alexandra wrote:

heirofloki wrote:Hee. Of course he can't neither confirm nor deny. He'd kill his precious buzz. In Hollywood, Buzz is like Oxygen: You need it to stay alive.

However, just in case he was being less than an EP, I bring you Milky's theory from the spoiler-chat thread:

one more think I didn't see written.

there's a dream..... process? called incorporation (at least in spanish). It consists of taking into the dream what you're actually perceiving... like when the phone starts ringing and suddenly in your dream there's a ring, or when you run in your dream but can't, really, because your legs are too heavy---the sheets and quilts.
And remember how they say you have to talk to ppl in coma, 'cause they can hear you?

SO- I think that's what happened to Booth.
If you notice, she whispers/mumbles/don't-recall-how-to-say-it-in-English what she's writing. I wouldn't be surprised if she did just that while writing the whole ep... and he incorporated it into his coma-dream

Like I mentioned before, I can get behind that.

Yeah, me too. The idea that they could dream/write the same thing just seems ludicrous to me.

If I had to choose between Brennan's writing and Booth's dream, I would say it was Brennan's writing, because the whole episode felt like insights in her mind (I'm not sure that's correctly phrased, lol)

Like I said in the spoiler chat, we saw she knows her squints are loyal to her and Booth no matter what, we saw that she is grateful for Jared's help, that she wants Booth to love her "do you love me?", that her job is taking a toll on her, that she knows Booth would do anything to protect her, and that she knows how much Booth values her opinion of him when she says to Max "he wants me to be proud of him".

What convinced me that at least a very big part of the AU has to Brennan's and not just the narration is the scene when she says "I know you would kill someone to protect me" or sthg like that and then adds "and I know you would lie so I wouldn't have to share the burden". I mean we, the audience, knew this already but we didn't think she had realised it. This scene, like the others I mentioned, says so much about Brennan and shows us she's not as clueless as we may have thought previously and is very attuned to Booth.

At the end of episode, I thought we were supposed to realise how far she had come, how much she had grown emotionally. I can't remember everything that's happened this season, but there were conversations, like those with Angela in Critic in the Cabernet and with the Japanese man when she asks if it's worth it to let someone get that close to you, that paved the way for the finale.

And if it is her writing, we have an answer to Sweets' "which one it is that's in love and struggles with it everyday?".

I mean imagining and writing sthg is a conscious process, so it would mean
Brennan admitted to herself she's in love with Booth, while a dream is not, it's an unconscious process, so it wouldn't tell us whether or not Booth has admitted it to himself, plus we already figured they dream about each other, that's bound to happen since they spent so much time with each other, so it wouldn't make the whole episode such a great revelation.

Obviously after reading HH's post, I can't be a hundred percent sure but I hope that at least most of the AU was Brennan's writing, because I really liked what I saw of her, not to mention, it would mean she is totally in love in Booth. lol.

All of that
Can't get more concise than that on my part, haha.

Anyway, I still have to read the whole clock-proving-it-was-real-for-real-deal sex and all... Don't think it amounts to much, yet.

HeyLJ wrote:The clock thing:

Does anyone here think it's a sign of the sex scene being real and not just a continuity cock-up? :?:

I was looking on twitter and saw a little about alarm clocks, but didn't get it. Then I get on here and see this. What's the thing with the clocks? I remember seeing the time on the clock in the very beginning ... 4:47. Then I remember seeing it again with the knock at the door ... 5:?? I think. Anybody care to fill me in?

I saw the clock, is it really different? Or is it just positioned different. I need to get a copy of the ep (I've been watching on Global) but perhaps someone who already has it can cap it...?

DBCrazy wrote:

HeyLJ wrote:The clock thing:

Does anyone here think it's a sign of the sex scene being real and not just a continuity cock-up? :?:

I was looking on twitter and saw a little about alarm clocks, but didn't get it. Then I get on here and see this. What's the thing with the clocks? I remember seeing the time on the clock in the very beginning ... 4:47. Then I remember seeing it again with the knock at the door ... 5:?? I think. Anybody care to fill me in?

Some people say that the clocks are different. I....can't tell for sure yet. Whatever the case, it wasn't an accident. Both scenes were filmed one after the other. No time for a continuity Frak-up.

They ARE different: first 4:47, then 5:43.
But... does it mean anything?

I know I saw a good snapshot of it last night.

let me find it and I'll edit this post.

EDIT:
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There's people saying that the clocks being different shows how the sex was really a flashforward and the rest of the dream a dream

edit2: this is what it says below the pic at photobucket:

REAL SEX
Check out the clocks and the sheets totally different!! ... The first clock is before the sex see the hour, it's a normal hour ... but the other clock is after the sex and it has a weird hour see!!! It was real the sex between B&B.

I mean, 4:47 is before sex, 5:43 is after sex, right before Cam and Jared came. I didn't notice anything unusual...

Not the time but the clock itself, I think.