S6E07 "The Babe in the Bar" sides

mommahurley wrote:So then this thread gets highjacked again by the same ole same ole...

Insults and threats and the same statements over and over again! ugh..it's just getting so old as to be totally boring.

We really need some new shows so we can actually talk about something other than crossing arms over chest stomping feet and pouting!

I've had enough of that raising kids! lol.

joybrennan wrote:I hope that whole, "he killed her because he loved her thing" gets explained as NOT being love. That is about obsession, power, and control. I can't imagine that's what Booth thinks love is. THAT, would be VERY disturbing. If it is was he thinks...maybe this journey isn't about Brennan's realizations - kind of like year was said to be all about Booth. After his initial ephiphany, Brennan's the one with all the realizations - while Booth moped and looked puppy-eyed. So now it's BRENNAN whose ephiphany will open the season ( and not tell Booth to Booth - like he didn't tell her last year.) and BOOTH who will have all the realizations about what love is and isn't.

Then - after he breaks it off with raghag, because he realizes he never actually loved her - he was infatuated, and that the only TRUE love he's ever had is for Brennan. Raghag then tries to kill Booth (she "loved" him so she had to kill him ) and in the processes kills Cam or Wendall. Brennan takes Raghag out. Leaving us with B&B grieving the loss of one of their own and Booth filled with self-loathing, anger and self-doubt. How could he not see behind the sweetness that the woman was a psychopath? Worse, of course is probably the only one whom eventually realized something was off will have been Brennan. Who now thinks Booth hates her because she killed his psycho girlfriend. As penance for his "sins" Booth informs everyone he is quitting the FBI to become a monk. Brennan finds out they may have the bones of a Yeti and is heading for the Himalayas. She promises Booth that this time she'll write. End season six.

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

elyon wrote:

jro54 wrote:@Elyon I don't know. Do you mean like what SN says is true or they are jusy leading us on?

Sorry, Jro, just being snarky about the whole thing. I know that the only ones who know the Bones future are the inner circle who apparently believe hardcore fans aren't 'normal'. It is pretty short-sighted to slight the people whose watching habits keep their show on t.v. in the first place. This whole argument about the writers don't have to listen to the fans isn't quite accurate. No fans = no show. Just sounding off.

mommahurley wrote:

elyon wrote:

jro54 wrote:@Elyon I don't know. Do you mean like what SN says is true or they are jusy leading us on?

Sorry, Jro, just being snarky about the whole thing. I know that the only ones who know the Bones future are the inner circle who apparently believe hardcore fans aren't 'normal'. It is pretty short-sighted to slight the people whose watching habits keep their show on t.v. in the first place. This whole argument about the writers don't have to listen to the fans isn't quite accurate. No fans = no show. Just sounding off.

To be fair..HH never said that the really vocal fans aren't normal...or aren't important...or aren't considered ...rather, he said, they don't necessarily represent the opinion of the majority of fans...and that they do take into account the opinions of fans, They do extensive investigation and fact finding , through many means, not just online forums, to find out what the overall impression is of "the majority" of the fandom.

And I do get that you're feeling snarky...I get like that sometimes too. At the beginning of summer,,,I was really annoyed and feeling snarky!!!

I think it works kind of like the stages of greif. First disbelief/denial...We just refuse to believe things are what we fear they might be... Then comes bargaining...where we try to come up with alternate theories that something might mean...and we talk ourselves off the edge..we write the showrunners and plead and beg for them to listen to us... Next comes Anger... We're mad and we're gonna hurt you cause you disappointed us. We're gonna take our stuff and leave. We hope you fail cause then you'll see we were right! Next comes sadness... where we really deal with what we now realize has happened...things really arent' going to happen our way. We're sad and depressed, or bored, or just don't care. Then comes acceptance... we realize that we still love the show, and just cause it's not what we hoped, were gonna wait and see and make the best of it...and after all, maybe they will surprise us and please us after all. Finally we are ready to try again...we risk the disappointment and actually begin to get excited and anticipate what the future may bring, becuase we just never know what's around the next bend int he road...We've healed.

I'm at the final stage...I've accepted it, I've given over the reins of control, I'm open and anticipatory of the new season. Others may still be at different varying stages... but overall I think that anyone who comes on here and spends as much times as we all do talking about it...is goiMong to stick with it until they no longer care. And that will be a quiet leave taking...just forgetting to come back here...moving on to other things... As long as people are still greiving, regardless of the stage..they are still engaged. And that's painful...but it's a good thing for the show...so it's good!

jro54 wrote:They are going to keep Hannah around for along as possible to accumulate the storyline. She is perfect. She’s wonderful. She’s warm. She’s open with her emotions. She’s someone that Booth could be with for 30, 40 or 50 years…but Booth and Brennan belong together. This whole show is about their relationship, their bond…and no other character is going to break that. I don’t think they will go running into each other’s arms after she leaves, but I’m sure Hannah will somehow bring B&B closer together. Booth is going to realize that Hannah is perfect for him and that she’s someone that he could see being with 30, 40, or 50 years, but what he feels for her doesn’t surpass what he feels for his Bones…and Brennan will come to terms with her feelings for him. (yep, I have no doubt that this will happen) SN said that Booth will "torpedoe" his relationship with Hannah. I don't always believe everything SN says and I really don't believe that we are going to "love" Hannah, but what he says does make sense..so I'm thinking that Booth will do or not do something that makes Hannah will realize the type of relationship B&B have and that she’s the third party and leave him (because we are going to “love” her) I’m sure things will be little awkward after she leaves. I’m not expecting for them to just run into each other’s arms. I don’t think they will even tell her how they feel.

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

joybrennan wrote:

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

OK, this^ is not helping. Like, REALLY? If someone isn't what you thought you have the right to KILL them?

There BETTER be more. Even if HH is using it to foreshadow the fate of Hannah - that better not stand as being a choice out of having been in love. You fight, you break up, sure. You KILL them?

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

joybrennan wrote:

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

OK, this^ is not helping. Like, REALLY? If someone isn't what you thought you have the right to KILL them?

There BETTER be more. Even if HH is using it to foreshadow the fate of Hannah - that better not stand as being a choice out of having been in love. You fight, you break up, sure. You KILL them?

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I see some possible projecting by Brennan in these sides as her maybe seeing herself as Geneva, Booth as Lawrence and Hannah as Harriett. But if that's true then it looks more like the first indication of jealousy on Brennan's part that we have seen, not a foreshadowing of what happens to Hannah. I don't see any reason to believe Hannah's anything other than the real deal, although maybe there is a point where Brennan doesn't believe that.

joybrennan wrote:

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

Thanks treble21. I know I have sensitivity in this area. When I saw then promoting the ep as Booth teaches Brennan about love and then hit that line, the juxtaposition of ideas probably set me off. I'm sure Booth. will go on to say that his explanation was how the perp was thinking - and that his behavior shows it wasn't love at all. He'll probably go on about trust, honesty - you know normal Booth. I guess because IMO they've screwed around with his character so much in the last year, anything seems possible.

ReginaPhalange wrote:I think the line is simply trying to indicate the nature of deception in love (not endorsing murder in any way).

I see it as Booth indicating to the audience that on some level he's deceiving himself that he can be happy with Catherine when we know Bones is the only one for him.

I wouldn't take it any farther than that. [Only admins are allowed to see this image]